How To Stay MOTIVATED In Your OT Career
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[00:00:43] I got a really great question and I wanted to be able to answer it, not just to the person who gave me the question, but also for anyone else who's like suffering in the same shoes as. She and the conversation is really all about like, how do you stay [00:01:00] motivated in your career as you're building your career?
[00:01:03] So if you're following me, it's Hoang Tran here. I'm an occupational therapist and certified hand therapist, and majority of people who follow me are here because they too want to work in hand therapy, or maybe it's something that they want to explore. . I really wanna talk not just about hand therapy, but just talking about your career as an occupational therapist.
[00:01:24] As a physical therapist and I include, when I say OT and PT, I really include PT assistance and and OT assistance as well because I believe that we are like in the therapy world and in therapy family. And the question that came to me, is like, how do you stay motivated as you're building out your career?
[00:01:45] How do you stay motivated building your career specifically sometimes in hand therapy because hand therapy can be really such a challenge to get into. And I, I. wanted to think about it, and I also wanted to [00:02:00] write out a few of my ideas. Let me see if y'all, people can see this here on Instagram as well as on Facebook and On YouTube, right?
[00:02:13] So how do you stay motivated? And I think that when it comes to staying motivated, you've gotta explore a a couple of questions for yourself and you have to look at your expectations of what you thought it was gonna be. , what are your expectations? And then how do you, how do I state my, this is, I'm sharing with you, also what I do, right?
[00:02:36] I have to look at how aligned are my expectations. I think one of the biggest killers that are killing people right now in the therapy world is this false sense of expectations of where they're supposed to be. I don't think that this just happened right now. I think it's always happened in every person's [00:03:00] career, at every stage for every profession.
[00:03:05] However, we're seeing it a lot more right now in this day and age because technology's moving so fast and 30 years ago, people had expectations, but it's not as explosive as it is right now because of technology. Because of technology allowing us to connect and see what everyone else is doing at all times.
[00:03:28] And we have certain things that are a allowed to us right now because of the technology that. that we get to benefit from. But the things that benefit us can also be the things that hurt us, right? So think about like how, Amazon just delivers things to you so fast when you order it. God forbid you get in your car and go to the store, right?
[00:03:55] Because now you can sit back and order it. There's things that are happening right [00:04:00] now that are just making our lives so much easier that we think that everything. Is that easy? Clicking a button on Amazon, boom, it gets delivered to you. I don't want to cook. Boom, let me go on Uber eats DoorDash or whatever, and click a button and the shit gets delivered.
[00:04:19] Everything comes at a cost. So you have to really think about aligning expectation. I'm gonna go into that a little bit more, and then patience, like how do you stay motivated, building your OT career, building your hand therapy career? when you have such strict time definitions or timelines so that you're not giving yourself any time to develop it, right?
[00:04:47] So consider this. Hopefully, knock on wood, we have. The benefit of staying alive, right? Like actually, I joke about, this is [00:05:00] not a joke, but we do joke around when I'm talking to different business owners, like I have the opportunity to make money as a business owner as long as I just stay alive, right?
[00:05:09] You have the opportunity to move along in your career if we're fortunate. To say alive we have the benefit of time, right? So no matter where you are on your journey, you have so much more time than you give yourself credit for. When I talk to people who are like, oh, I'm 20, I'm 30 years into it, I only have so much time left.
[00:05:30] Even if you only have ten five, that's still a significant amount of time. Imagine if you could stretch that time a little bit because we don't have to just stop working just cuz we. , 65, right? We can still do certain things that can. That can make our minds, just be active and work, right?
[00:05:47] Yeah, the idea is, to retire. But can you imagine if you can enjoy your life so much right now as you're building, as you're earning, as you're working? If you can enjoy your life right now, how [00:06:00] great would it be so that you don't have to wait until you're 65 to actually enjoy? So that, that's a huge value of mine.
[00:06:05] If you guys have followed me at all. In the last four or five years I've been going online, you'll know that, that finding joy, finding fun, and doing fun things and all those things right now while we're still working is really important to me. I do not want to wait. Until I'm 65 and retired to do anything, I wanna do all my shit now
[00:06:29] So you know, to stay motivated, you have to have patience. And then how do I stay motivated? I think about others, I think about others. So let's go a little bit deeper into some of those things. Aligning expectations. At what point did someone tell you that this shit was gonna be easy?
[00:06:47] At what point did someone tell you that building your career, no matter what area of occupational therapy you were gonna be in, was easy? At what point did someone tell you that building your skills was going to be [00:07:00] easy? At no point is this shit supposed to be easy, because if it was easy, you wouldn't.
[00:07:06] if it was easy, you would be bored. So if you, if it was easy. It wouldn't give you the rush and the sense of achievement, right? So as we go through school, going through school for as long as we have as therapists there is a certain expectation that we just do the work and we get a grade, we do the work, we get these classes, and we graduate.
[00:07:30] That was the easy part. . And then when you go into the real world, now we're adulting for sure 100%. You thought you were adulting in school. You're not adulting in school. Someone told you what to do. Someone told you what classes to take. Someone told you that you needed to have a minimum of a B to pass.
[00:07:47] Someone told you which internship, so you had to go to. when you come out as an adult, with a degree, this is now when you start, right? So I wanna [00:08:00] ask you, where are your expectations when came outta school and what you're striving to do? What are your expectations? So when I came outta school I thought I would.
[00:08:13] Get a job and love it, right? I thought I would get the job and I would just love what I did. And a lot of times nowadays, I think people think they're supposed to love the shit that they're doing all the time. And it's not true. You don't love everything you're doing all the time, but you love it enough to keep wanting to do more, right?
[00:08:34] That's the thing. Do you love it enough to keep wanting to do more? And sometimes when you're not good at what you're doing, It's hard to stay motivated, right? If you're not good at what you're doing, you think you come outta school and you think you're supposed to be good? You're not. I don't know who didn't tell you, but you're not that great, right?
[00:08:57] I experienced the same thing. I came outta [00:09:00] school, started working the skilled nursing facility, and I was like, this is terrible. But probably cuz I wasn't such a great therapist, I didn't know what I was doing. So when you don't know what you're doing, you feel like. But your expectations were, I have a degree, so I thought I was, I knew some stuff, but you just don't know enough for the kind of things that you're facing in the clinic.
[00:09:19] When I moved into acute care, it was the same thing. I didn't know enough. Now you can pick things up and you can start learning, right? You can start learning. But at the end of the day, I think like the, how you stay motivated, how you stay motivated. always hitting up into that one patient that you know you didn't know enough and that you could learn.
[00:09:40] So that kind of comes down to when you align your expectations and you think about others and think about how good you can become. so you can help those people, right? So I always thought, if, look, my expectations in acute care was like I was trying to get those hours, I was trying to get the experience so that I could [00:10:00] move into the next position and the next position.
[00:10:02] But my expectations were very linked to time, right? I thought, oh, a couple months the opportunities, but that's not usually the case. Sometimes. , it takes much longer. So part of it's like being patient. So you know, how do you say it motivates all the three these things? What are your expectations?
[00:10:21] Having patience and what's your timeline? Can you give yourself a little bit of grace to develop your skills? Because being outta school like one or two years, that's fucking nothing, right? That's nothing. My first two, my first, I wanna say my first three years as an ot, I freaking hated my.
[00:10:37] Like I hated my profession because I was just doing stuff that I didn't think I was gonna be doing. . I was working in a hospital and we just saw, I just saw some of the worst things, right? I, shit everywhere people vomited, a colossian bag opened, things like that. And then I actually had and you think about it and you think, ah, this is so crappy.[00:11:00]
[00:11:00] But I also, at the same time, I thought about the people I was helping. Nah, you have to do your hard stuff. But then you have a couple of people that just they humble you and you think about them. And I don't think I've ever shared this story. , but I was working with a man, he had pancreatic cancer, really bad jaundice everywhere all this liver stuff, pancreas.
[00:11:20] And I was working with him, getting him out of bed, doing some ADLs, moving his hands and arms. They were just, he was so weak. And I remember , he was like, I really need to go to the bathroom. Like I really need to go pee Gar, need to go to the bathroom. And I was like, alright, I can do that.
[00:11:36] So I sat him up, we worked on standing and made sure he was safe. Keep him the urinal and he could not pee and he was so ill. And I don't know if you guys know this, but I'm gonna be graphic. So a lot of times when people have a lot of these issues and he had kidney issues, they swell up, right?
[00:11:54] So the penis like retracts into their testicle area and you have to [00:12:00] literally help pull their penis out so that he had to, so he could pee. And I remember oh my God, do I have to do this for this guy? I'm like, what the fuck? Like literally I was like, but I thought about it and I was like, you know what?
[00:12:16] For his dignity for him. If my father was ever this Ill I would want someone to have such compassion to help him. I dunno why I'm getting emotional about this, but when you think about others and you think about, if I was in that terrible situation, or my family member was in that terrible situation when I have somebody who really cared about me, right?
[00:12:43] So when you think about others, it can really help you to stay motivated. You know what I mean? So every time I was working in those settings, I really just thought about other people and I just thought about them and I was. What if it was like my family? What if it was someone I knew?
[00:12:58] So [00:13:00] it will help you to do the hard things, even though it might feel disgusting at that time. So anyway, like, how do you say motivated during those times, that's what I. If you wanna know exactly what I did, that's what I did. I had to realign my expectations that I was not great.
[00:13:19] Like I have barely any skills and it was gonna take me, like it wasn't meant to be easy. It was meant to be hard. So I would continue to work. So the motivation really isn't so much that the motivation, it's like how do you discipline yourself? To keep going and striving for more. So when you strive for more and you think about your patients and you think about man, I had a c I had a C P R C P R S back in the hospital as well, and she was just so painful.
[00:13:48] Like nothing. I did help this woman. But remember, when you're in acute care, you're in a particular phase. You're in the acute. You're in the acute phase and then sometimes you get people in the skilled nursing [00:14:00] phase or in the acute hospital phase, and then only out then, are they an outpatient, right?
[00:14:05] So some of your people will go through all these phases and eventually get to you, right? And then some people just come right into here. . So no matter where you are, as you're developing your skills and you're getting your hours and your experience in hands, think about where you're at and realign your expectations.
[00:14:26] And then think about like how to continue to think about others and strive for more in terms of your skills. And that will also help you to stay motivat. because you, you do have to ask yourself that hard question, am I really good? Did I really help that person? Do I really have the skills right? And if you are somebody who's jumping from job to job, and I see that all the time now you're jumping from job to job, and you're still not happy the job.
[00:14:59] is [00:15:00] not the common denominator. You are the common denominator. So where is essentially the quote unquote problem, right? Where's the problem? Is it really all those jobs? Are all those jobs really terrible or is it because you yourself, are not aligned with the expectations and putting the work.
[00:15:23] Striving for more thinking of others, and then giving yourself some grace, giving yourself time. I can tell you that I'm not really that great with this. I'm great. I'm actually really, I'm actually, if I look at this, I'm really good at thinking about other people that did not come early in my career, that actually came midway through.
[00:15:48] when I started thinking more about other people and I would say, like I always say, I always remember like the first three years were terrible. As an ot, I was actually thinking about going back to school and getting a master's in like business or [00:16:00] something and doing something with business. But then I started to, I was taking classes and I was getting better with the things that I was doing and the treatments I was providing.
[00:16:10] And if you focus on only the bad stuff, you'll only see the bad. It's where you put your focus. If you focus on only the bad stuff, you'll only see the bad stuff. So if I was in the hospital, I was only focusing on the bad stuff and how bored I was and how I didn't wanna do ADLs again, or how I didn't wanna work in the cardiac floor again and like I didn't wanna do the ISU again, but things like that, then that was all I would see.
[00:16:34] But if I focused on some of the good things, I would focus on, the one patient that man. that, just did so well with me. Like I had this one woman, she had a pituitary tumor. Pituitary tumor. They did a decompression, it didn't work. So then they had to do a craniotomy. on the side, and she came out and it looked like a stroke.
[00:16:57] So all of her left [00:17:00] side, or can't remember which side it was, all the left side, super weak, couldn't do anything, couldn't even sit up and talk about visual impairment. She had complete neglect. You would bring something and she could not cross midline. She could not pay attention to anything, and day in and day out we would work with her.
[00:17:17] And what a challenge it was because it wasn't just like an orthopedic. , neuro issue of the, making sure the joints were moving, making sure that there wasn't subluxation. But there was a cognitive, like she was alert, but she was not oriented. You're always checking for the, are you alert and oriented?
[00:17:33] Hey, what's your name today? Shit like that. And then, checking out her visual fields, like all those tests and was really challenging for me. I was working with her and then, . The one day I came in, I started working with her and she, I could not believe it when I tell you she looked to the left, I was like, oh my God, this is amazing.
[00:17:54] She had neglect and she was looking and she said, hello, like she words came outta her mouth. [00:18:00] Within 30 minutes of that, she coded and within 30 minutes of that she died. Horrific experience. For me, that was the first time someone had died, and I didn't know that sometimes with neuro patients, it said that they spike, they do really well before they pass away.
[00:18:15] First experience. But When you're working in certain places, no matter the setting find one or two things. Find one or two people find one or two cases that you know that you want to get better with, that you. want to do so well with them, for, and that is what's gonna help build your skills and that's what's gonna help you to stay motivated.
[00:18:40] To stay motivated. And when it comes to time, so the expectation, think of others like I'm actually like solid. Like solid with that. Patience is no friend of mine. Patience is no friend of mine, . I always think that I should do things [00:19:00] faster, better. I should be over there by now. It is a problem that I have
[00:19:10] So you, if you're having a hard time staying motivated, you have to look at these things and say, when am I having a hard time staying motivated? Because, I might come here and I might look real motivat. To you at all times, but it's not the motivation that keeps me going. It's the discipline.
[00:19:28] I hope I spelled that it's the discipline. It's the discipline of constantly doing the same thing over and over until you are so good that no one can ignore you, right? That's the discipline. You wanna stay motivated, give yourself time. to do the thing over and over, and you think you did it enough times, you didn't do it enough times, you need to do that shit again, right?
[00:19:53] So if you are in a job and you're like, I'm bored, [00:20:00] right? I'm doing the same thing over and over, and I don't feel like I'm getting any. , I would really challenge you to say, are you really not getting anywhere or because if you're not getting anywhere, then you're, what you're saying to yourself is that I'm already really good and I don't need to improve.
[00:20:16] I'm so good. I don't need to improve, and sorry, but we all have room for improvement. We all have room for improvement. So it is not just about becoming a certified hand therapist, like to sit for the boards and stuff like that. It is about developing your skills. It's about developing the ability to problem solve and to fix someone's problem.
[00:20:39] right? So that you know you can get what you want out of your career. So people come to me like, I want that perfect job. Define and write down what that perfect job looks like to you. Define what that perfect job looks like to you, because it's not just. . [00:21:00] It is not just about I'm seeing a lot of post-surgical cases, so if there's a lot of OTs that come to me and I want that job in the doctor's office.
[00:21:07] I want to be seeing a ton of post-surgical cases. Funny enough, they seem complex, but they are. , they're easiest ones, right? And one of the reasons why I say that is because you I talk about feedback loops quite a bit. One of the reasons why it's really frustrating to work with a neuro case is because your expectations are that they should be getting better faster when in actuality they're supposed to get they get better, slower, and they need almost like a lifetime of work.
[00:21:41] Whereas an orthopedic type of problem, it's a shorter feedback loop. The, you do one or two things and you get results right away, right? So that's a shorter feedback loop. The reason why most people are drawn to that is because they get instant [00:22:00] gratification from, oh, seeing that wound closes in two weeks, seeing that motion move within four weeks, whereas other things take a lot longer.
[00:22:08] So I would encourage you, like from a time perspective having a sense of delayed gratification,
[00:22:19] right? Delayed grad. , there's a lot of things that we do right now that we continue to do and not see results. You can do a lot of things and not see results, and then one day you start to see the results. And that is, That's just time. If you wanna stay motivated and turn that motivation into discipline, you've got to give yourself some time and you've gotta get really comfortable with delayed gratification.
[00:22:48] This channel, hand therapy Secrets, I posted for over a year before I sold to anything at all, before I developed any kind of program at all. I just[00:23:00] shared. now I shared sporadically what I still open and I still shared. Right now, I'm, this is four years later that I am. now sharing consistently.
[00:23:15] I've got, I'm on all channels. I'm on YouTube. I've got a podcast. I've got a team of people to help me, but I've got a team of people to help me because I'm able to do the kind of work that is required of me to do. without seeing any results or any instant gratification, right? I'm able to do the work now without seeing the results of anything until later.
[00:23:42] That's very much like your career that you're building, building, but you're doing all the stuff and you don't see anything until one day you do keep applying for that job and you get it. I worked for over four years. Building my, [00:24:00] building my resume, working the same job. And then, maybe it's not for everyone to stay in the same position, but I had a really good position and even in my good position, I applied for other positions and I would always come back and say, hold on, you have a really great position.
[00:24:15] Why would you give it up? Just because someone else wants to entice you for 50 cents more, or a dollar or more. That's a whole nother conversation, right? But I sat there and I build my position and I raised my hand every single time there was something new, right? I raised my hand. Who wants to do, I wanna do this, who wants to teach?
[00:24:35] I wanna do this. Who wants to do splints? I wanna do this. Who wants to go in the nicu? I'll go into the nicu. I ended up giving up my time. to learn from someone who is willing to teach. Like in the hospital setting. So I then got into the NICU and then I was looking for classes to take, and I took a NICU class so that I could show up and present, show up to the [00:25:00] parents.
[00:25:01] And that's how I got into nicu. And because I stayed and because I raised my hand each and every single time that I was willing to do more and, I'm not saying I, I just worked for free. Okay. I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is I was willing to go home and learn the things that they were asking would I be willing to do.
[00:25:27] I would go home and I'd learn those things and that I would comment and be like who has the information that could teach me? Even if it's for 30 minutes or an. and that's how I built my career. And because I was there and I could say, I can do it, I can do it, I can do it. When the opportunity came one day, I got it right.
[00:25:46] And that was through, that was through all of this. That was through having the, realigning my expectations that it wasn't supposed to be easy realigning. That I'm not entitled to any job. I'm not [00:26:00] entitled to have patients like me or want to be with me. I have to work for it. And then I gave myself a lot of time. I know that there was someone who was working in the same hospital, was working. and she wanted, I was in outpatient, finally got into outpatient, became A C H C. And so a lot of people were looking at me and but you're a CHT now. I wanna do what you did.
[00:26:22] Okay, great. Keep raising your hand, keep doing this, it does take time well. She said it and she said it for about a year, but she didn't take classes. She wasn't, really doing that much. And she would say that she didn't do anything right. So she . So she ended up quitting because she didn't get the opportunity fast enough.
[00:26:44] And I was told, I had told her, I was like, just give it some time because, as we, as a clinic, as busier, you'll, there's going to be opportunities for she left and then within so many months the opportunity came, but she had already gone. So she left [00:27:00] in search of, so she was like I'm gonna work at this place.
[00:27:03] It pays me so much. And there's a reason why some positions pay so much more than others, and that's because it's a shitty job, right? It's a shitty job. She lost their two years, and within those two years, I had left the hospital and started working in a private clinic, and she called me up and she asked for, At that time, I was able to, and I let her come and shadow me for months.
[00:27:29] But sh in order to make that big jump, she had to sacrifice. She was like, I, it was she was so miserable. She quit her job without a job, and then she started from scratch. No job. She would come into the clinic. She would volunteer for me, with me for eight hours a day, nine hours a day. And she did that only so many days that I can.
[00:27:51] Volunteered so many days. But from that she started taking classes. She started, she was volunteering with me, and from that [00:28:00] she was learning, right? And then she took she started applying for per diem positions. And she drove hour. Like she drove miles and miles.
[00:28:10] They were not next to her. And if anyone knows about anything in Miami, if you live on a certain part, you like, if you live in Miami Beach, those people are fucking bougie as hell. They don't wanna go nowhere. They don't wanna drive off the island, God forbid they make any effort to do anything like this bitch was driving, like she was driving up Fort Lauderdale over these positions.
[00:28:33] Because sometimes you do have to sacrifice. You have to have align your expectations, and she did what she needed to do and things started to fall in place for her because then she got her hours, then she got her experience, then she started studying for the exam, and then she passed. And then the jobs were coming before she passed.
[00:28:56] Jobs started coming. So when your question is [00:29:00] how do you prepare? for that perfect job that you want. First of all, there is no perfect job. You make it perfect, right? You make it perfect. There are know plenty of people who would love to work in a hand surgeon's office until they finally get there and they're like, holy shit.
[00:29:18] Not all hand surgeons are nice, okay? Not all offices are organized. Not all it's not all it's cracked up to be, but you make it what it is. Some people want to work in a private clinic and see that it's not just like sitting around and the patients are coming. . There's different types of work in different types of setting.
[00:29:42] If you work in a hospital setting there are certain things about working in the hospital, certain things that are easy about working in the hospital, but then other things are shit like it comes with that. That's the territory, at no point in your life, it's like everything going to be excellent, everything is going to be amazing.
[00:29:59] [00:30:00] Everything's going to be. At no point is that ever happening. I don't know. Maybe it's for you, but I've never had that. But we can pick and choose. We can pick and choose how we see it. We can pick and choose how we ask ourself questions, how we stay motivated, and how do we turn that motivation into actual discipline.
[00:30:20] I know it's a really long answer. But it requires a certain amount of thinking and a mindset. to stay motivated. And my job, right? What I wanna do as a therapist, is I want to help other therapists see that there is so much more in your career and that you can get fulfillment and that you can be happy, but it's not the exterior.
[00:30:50] It's not that job. It's not your boss. It's not these outside things. It actually starts with you [00:31:00] and your ability to line up your expectations or realign those expectations. It's up to you to give yourself grace. For, for the patients that it require is required of you to develop your skills and to move through the phases because at no point can we skip one phase to get to another phase, right?
[00:31:24] Do not wish time away. because before you know it, you'll be dead. Do not wish time away. So all along that timeline, that journey, you ha you want to find ways to enjoy it so that it, it can motivate you, and yeah, , and when you think about, when you think about others, like when you think about your patients, like what can you provide, what can you do to help them?
[00:31:52] Like I'm in a different stage where I'm, I have to think about the people that I serve, right? Like I have to think about my staff, [00:32:00] I have to think about students in my program. I have to think about. the classes that I'm teaching. You wouldn't like me if I came to a class, sold you a class and then didn't do my absolute best to teach you something to bring value to your life.
[00:32:15] I have to think about you because I want to be that person that like influences you or that provides the skillsets that you need. to propel your career. So I'm, I have to constantly think about you, to stay motivated, to be disciplined, to do the hard work because it's not easy , it's not easy.
[00:32:38] You don't see the behind the scenes, but there's a lot of work that goes on into putting a class together into promoting that course and. into getting people to register into developing that curriculum. It isn't easy, but I don't think it was meant to be easy. I think it was meant to be hard, [00:33:00] and I think it was meant to be hard, and that way we can enjoy it when we do achieve something.
[00:33:07] So anyway, that's my long answer. To your question of how to stay motivated, and I hope that it helps you, hope it gives you some pinpoint action that you could take the questions that you could ask yourself and think about how you can utilize these three things that I've mentioned. to ask yourself, like how can you stay motivated?
[00:33:36] Cuz it's more of an internal thing than it is an external thing. So if you, if any of this resonated with you I'd love for you to leave me a comment if you have further questions along the way, like along with the explanations , I'd love to have you leave me a comment as well. Let me know. Let me [00:34:00] know what you pick up and let me know what you do not want to pick up and leave on the table.
[00:34:05] Because everyone's going to resonate with. Things differently. All right, so I hope that helped. And if you need me, I'm here. Hand Therapy Secrets. My name is Huang Tron. Send me a message or get on my community email list and I send out videos weekly. I send out emails weekly, whether it be on YouTube, just sharing my perspective, my tips on career, on treatment.
[00:34:30] So I hope to see you soon. Thanks for tuning in and thanks for watching this later. Bye.
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